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----- Original Message -----
From: Kari A Smith
Date: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Anti_Bush_Database] Re: Kari: Death of the Democratic Party/DNC & America
To: Anti_Bush_Database@yahoogroups.com
> I suppose this is because you have not seen how it is really
>
> suppose to work. What I said is true. Without a Veto Proof
>
> Majority there can be no Conviction on impeachment. It takes
>
> 67 votes to convict on Impeachment Indictment. If you don't
>
> believe me look it up in the Constitution. When I went to school
>
> they didn't just teach us to take tests. They showed us how the
>
> Government worked by setting up a government in government
>
> class and had us learn exactly how the Constitution works.
>
> What I said it 100 percent true.
> Kari Ana
>
> ---------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> jerseyshoreweb@optonline.net
> To:
> Anti_Bush_Database@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Anti_Bush_Database] Re: Kari: Death of the
> Democratic Party/DNC & America
>
>
> I think yer analysis and conclusions ......ludicrous comes to
> mind and yer myoptic vision borders on bizarre
>
> I think its lookin like the last election.........not much
> diff between the two parties
>
> soooo ........why would peeps vote for bush lite if they can
> have bush?
>
> and the repug cheat machine is waiting in the bowels to spring
> to life if there is a close vote somewhere........they are pros
> at this
>
> fraud being perped on the american peeps needs to be
> exposed.......the peeps need to be made aware of just what is
> happening to them......that is the battlefront......overcoming
> the pig media's lies .distortions ........and blaise approach to
> real things............
>
> unless you feel just fine in la la land....where both parties
> are.......I don't
>
> who could actually give a flyin hershey squirt about health
> care if we're ready to get killed?
>
> troops home
> go nader
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kari A Smith
> Date: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:17 pm
> Subject: Re: [Anti_Bush_Database] Re: Kari: Death of the
> Democratic Party/DNC & America
> To: Anti_Bush_Database@yahoogroups.com
>
> > A study was done before the 2006 election that showed that
> if the
> >
> > Democrats gain control of the House and the Senate not veto proof
> >
> > control of course, that if the Democrats then impeach that they'd
> >
> > lose the election 2008 and control of the House and Senate.
> >
> > Without 67 plus votes in the Senate the Democrats impeachment
> >
> > will look like a political move not a move for Justice. It
> is
> >
> > unfortunately not a good thing to do. This was why when we did
> >
> > not get enough of a majority to be able to impeach and
> convict the
> >
> > new Speaker of the House had to say impeachment was off the
> >
> > table. The FACT that Shrub keeps vetoing these bills which the
> >
> > people want should have the same effect on the GOP as an
> >
> > impeachment without conviction would do for the Democrats.
> >
> > Until we have the White House or a veto proof Senate and House
> >
> > we are going to have gridlock. It is how our Government works
> >
> > at this time. Just because the GOP made only political moves from
> >
> > the time they gained control and even after because they
> have the
> >
> > White House doesn't mean the Democrats should forget how the
> >
> > party in Control of Congress are supposed to work within the
> rules. >
> > Some call it no spine, others call it respect for those who
> support >
> > the minority party. It may be frustrating but at least we
> know our
> >
> > party is not running rough shod over those who vote for the GOP.
> >
> > You may not like what is going on but the majority of people in
> >
> > the US will be voting Democrat in 2008 because the Democrats
> >
> > have chosen to not impeach Shrub and Cheney because after
> >
> > Impeachment there are not the GOP votes to CONVICT.
> > Kari Ana
> >
> > ---------------------------------------
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ShunkW
> > To:
> > Anti_Bush_Database@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Anti_Bush_Database] Re: Kari: Death of the
> > Democratic Party/DNC & America
> >
> >
> > What good is it to "put it on the table" when it still won't
> > go anywhere?
> >
> >
> > Lee Mentley wrote:
> > Really...? All it takes is Pelosi to give John Conyers the
> > nod and we have Impeachment on the table, but she won't...?
> In
> > the Senate it only takes ONE Senator to put a hold on a
> bill,
> > including funding for the war but no one has...? The Dems
> have
> > allowed Bush to have everything he wants...! That is a ONE
> Party
> > System...!
> > Kari A Smith
> > wrote:
> > It isn't true. Until the Democrats get a veto proof
> > majority or
> >
> > gain the White House, there is no way anyone can logically
> >
> > believe there is only a one party system. After 2008 it
> > is possible
> >
> > the GOP might be pretty much on the ropes.
> > Kari Ana
> >
> > ---------------------------------------
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lee Mentley
> > To: Gov. Howard
> > Dean ; California
> > Democratic Party
> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:23 AM
> > Subject: [Anti_Bush_Database] Death of the Democratic
> > Party/DNC & America
> >
> >
> > It amazes me that people are just now waking up to the
> > ONE Party System that has been in place since the end of the
> New
> > Deal and the attack on the Middle Class, the bankruptcy of
> > America by Ronald Reagan and his ever present minions hiding
> > behind the flag and their so-called god...?
> >
> > They now also have front men for the smaller parties
> > as well...! There is no law & there is no freedom...!
> >
> > For instance do you know how much oil is under the
> > people we are allowing to be killed in Darfur, while we
> claim to
> > want to bring democracy to the world...?
> >
> > Americans have sat on the couch for far to long and
> > not participated in the democratic process, so this is where
> we
> > are...!
> >
> > I would now buy some Grounded Shoes for this years
> > political process because the tazers and worse are
> coming...! Lee
> >
> >
> > FYI, From Scott Peden:
> >
> > Some how, I am floundering in disbelief.
> >
> > The DLC, whose members have been voting to the right
> > of the republican party platform and continual warfare, who
> > embrace magazines which claim to be liberal but have
> constantly,
> > as the DLC 'Democrats' support the war effort and GW's
> Bush's
> > agenda the last 7 years, (in case you wondered why all those
> > terrible acts of legislation went through, it wasn't
> wrangling
> > for votes that they never got back, it is because they
> SUPPORT
> > the Agendas THEY CAST THEIR VOTES FOR) and this magazine
> claims
> > to be Liberal yet promotes war and corporate agenda..... and
> we
> > as a nation, we as a body of people who label ourselves
> > liberal.... do the Orwellian dance and explain away all the
> > hypocrisies and call people and magazines that do not
> promote
> > Liberal or Progress or Peace or Freedom, but support the
> > suspension of OUR CONSTITUTION and continued warfare that is
> > NEVER declared WAR so that the WAR PROFITEERING ACT can be
> > implemented..... which means they are all for raping you and
> I
> > the tax payer.....
> >
> > ........and not only do the politicians though Liberal
> > labeled paper, The New Republic and DLC promote a plank that
> > is anything BUT what the Democratic party Plank is, BUT
> >
> > The DLC, the 'to the right of the Republican party
> > Plank' Democrats, some call 'centrists' though there is
> nothing
> > Moderate about them at all, is the only part of the so
> called
> > "Democratic party" that the MSM will even acknowledge
> exists.
> > They run War candidates vying for the position of Commander
> in Chief.
> >
> > Don't all these 'to the right of' Republican buzz
> > words coming from groups cloaked in the Democratic party
> Label,
> > bother anyone still in the Democratic party? NO? Because you
> > have to vote with who ever they decide you will vote for?
> Your
> > Liberal or Progressive views only count when the other party
> is
> > in office?
> >
> > It makes perfect sense to me now why such a high
> > percentage of people polled as Independents, and to a lesser
> > degree Green's and Socialists all state they got there via
> the
> > Democratic party but left cause they had no representation.
> I
> > always wondered why they didn't stay and fight to make it
> what
> > most of us have wanted.
> >
> > 1984 and the Orwellian way of life isn't just for
> > Republicans anymore, if it is good enough to take over the
> > Republican Party, it is good enough to take over the
> Democratic
> > Party too..... and I was so immersed in the Orwellianism of
> the
> > two headed Democratic party, I didn't even see it, till I
> saw so
> > many Democrats support the 'to the right of the Republican
> Party
> > Plank' that most of the Republicans also support. Perpetual
> War.
> > 7 years of the Democrats, even when the have the Senate and
> > Congress, still voting for Bush's most major items we have
> > screamed to end, the War, give us our constitution back, and
> > support Social Agendas and stop supporting the corporate and
> > especially the international Corporate agenda.
> >
> > Everyone running for "Commander in Chief' Rushed to
> > back up Bush, who is known for his intelligence reports for
> > being fabrications, to scream to the world at large NUCLEAR
> > OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE, as if they were the only people
> who
> > hadn't a clue that Iran is a Non Nuclear nation much less a
> non
> > nuclear weapon nation.
> >
> > The MSM only allowed the public to hear of the WAR
> > CANDIDATES, only allowed us to hear about those running for
> > COMMANDER IN CHIEF..... and few screamed that this isn't
> what
> > their party stands instead those terrible voting records are
> > ignored and we fight over personalities and ANYTHING BUT
> > ISSUES.n We're getting a smoke screen from what we think is
> a
> > group that supports the Democratic party Plank, yet they
> support
> > darned near anything but that, though they don't forget to
> toss
> > us scraps, but any mega legislation is Pro Corporate and
> Anti Social.
> >
> > The talk from members of both parties of taking thiner
> > party back, is now understandable why no dent was ever made
> and
> > the disparity of what our representative's vote for compared
> to
> > what we want makes more sense, and we'll fight tooth and
> nail to
> > support those things they do that are contrary to the values
> and
> > morals we have, just because the other mislabeled party is
> more
> > evil then ours.
> >
> > As several exceptionally active activists have pointed
> > out, they will fight tooth and nail for either one of those
> > labeled with a D, no matter their voting record or policies,
> > which show they support everything we have screamed was bad
> over
> > the last 7 years, Pro Preemptive War (Nuclear Options are on
> the
> > table for a non nuclear non aggressive nation, just as in
> > Afghanistan and Iraq) and slaughtering of our economy, the
> > energy crisis, first the power delivered at home, then the
> car
> > and home fuel international corporate scam, and on and on
> goes
> > the corporate welfare and no responsibility agenda, and our
> > representatives borrow money that we the taxpayers have to
> pay
> > (no matter who is in charge of our land mass, or what our
> nation
> > is called, the bankers made sure of that or the loans would
> be
> > too risky).
> >
> > And I use to wonder why we haven't been able to get a
> > Democrat that supported the Democratic party Plank to run
> for
> > President, AND GET SUPPORT FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ITSELF,
> it
> > hasn't happened in decades.
> >
> > Cause the Democratic party Plank is just something
> > pretty to hang on the wall like that other non or ill used
> piece
> > of paper, the Constitution of the United States of America.
> >
> > A representative Democracy.... in name only.
> >
> > Oh my God..... what happened..... I really wished I
> > hadn't woken up.... it's lot worse then even I had imagined.
> >
> > There aren't any parties to take back......... it is
> > just one party with the MSM working like their shadow and
> the
> > agenda resembles Fascism and only shadows of what we were
> taught
> > we had, a Representative Democracy (unless you were taught
> we
> > we're a Democracy and never looked up what a mob that is and
> > figured out that is why we have REPRESENTATIVES instead of a
> > Democracy for each and every law that gets looked at).
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > HRH Lee Mentley
> > There are none so enslaved as those who falsely believe
> > they are free...!
> > Warmonger Bush/McCain Wants 100 War in Middle East With
> > Your Children...!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > HRH Lee Mentley
> > There are none so enslaved as those who falsely believe they
> > are free...!
> > Warmonger Bush/McCain Wants 100 War in Middle East With Your
> > Children...!
> >
>
>
----- Original Message -----
From: Kari A Smith
Date: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Anti_Bush_Database
To: Anti_Bush_Database@
> I suppose this is because you have not seen how it is really
>
> suppose to work. What I said is true. Without a Veto Proof
>
> Majority there can be no Conviction on impeachment. It takes
>
> 67 votes to convict on Impeachment Indictment. If you don't
>
> believe me look it up in the Constitution. When I went to school
>
> they didn't just teach us to take tests. They showed us how the
>
> Government worked by setting up a government in government
>
> class and had us learn exactly how the Constitution works.
>
> What I said it 100 percent true.
> Kari Ana
>
> ------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> jerseyshoreweb@
> To:
> Anti_Bush_Database@
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Anti_Bush_Database
> Democratic Party/DNC & America
>
>
> I think yer analysis and conclusions ......ludicrous comes to
> mind and yer myoptic vision borders on bizarre
>
> I think its lookin like the last election....
> diff between the two parties
>
> soooo ........why would peeps vote for bush lite if they can
> have bush?
>
> and the repug cheat machine is waiting in the bowels to spring
> to life if there is a close vote somewhere...
> at this
>
> fraud being perped on the american peeps needs to be
> exposed.....
> happening to them......that is the battlefront.
> the pig media's lies .distortions ........and blaise approach to
> real things......
>
> unless you feel just fine in la la land....where both parties
> are.......I don't
>
> who could actually give a flyin hershey squirt about health
> care if we're ready to get killed?
>
> troops home
> go nader
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kari A Smith
> Date: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:17 pm
> Subject: Re: [Anti_Bush_Database
> Democratic Party/DNC & America
> To: Anti_Bush_Database@
>
> > A study was done before the 2006 election that showed that
> if the
> >
> > Democrats gain control of the House and the Senate not veto proof
> >
> > control of course, that if the Democrats then impeach that they'd
> >
> > lose the election 2008 and control of the House and Senate.
> >
> > Without 67 plus votes in the Senate the Democrats impeachment
> >
> > will look like a political move not a move for Justice. It
> is
> >
> > unfortunately not a good thing to do. This was why when we did
> >
> > not get enough of a majority to be able to impeach and
> convict the
> >
> > new Speaker of the House had to say impeachment was off the
> >
> > table. The FACT that Shrub keeps vetoing these bills which the
> >
> > people want should have the same effect on the GOP as an
> >
> > impeachment without conviction would do for the Democrats.
> >
> > Until we have the White House or a veto proof Senate and House
> >
> > we are going to have gridlock. It is how our Government works
> >
> > at this time. Just because the GOP made only political moves from
> >
> > the time they gained control and even after because they
> have the
> >
> > White House doesn't mean the Democrats should forget how the
> >
> > party in Control of Congress are supposed to work within the
> rules. >
> > Some call it no spine, others call it respect for those who
> support >
> > the minority party. It may be frustrating but at least we
> know our
> >
> > party is not running rough shod over those who vote for the GOP.
> >
> > You may not like what is going on but the majority of people in
> >
> > the US will be voting Democrat in 2008 because the Democrats
> >
> > have chosen to not impeach Shrub and Cheney because after
> >
> > Impeachment there are not the GOP votes to CONVICT.
> > Kari Ana
> >
> > ------------
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ShunkW
> > To:
> > Anti_Bush_Database@
> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Anti_Bush_Database
> > Democratic Party/DNC & America
> >
> >
> > What good is it to "put it on the table" when it still won't
> > go anywhere?
> >
> >
> > Lee Mentley wrote:
> > Really...? All it takes is Pelosi to give John Conyers the
> > nod and we have Impeachment on the table, but she won't...?
> In
> > the Senate it only takes ONE Senator to put a hold on a
> bill,
> > including funding for the war but no one has...? The Dems
> have
> > allowed Bush to have everything he wants...! That is a ONE
> Party
> > System...!
> > Kari A Smith
> > wrote:
> > It isn't true. Until the Democrats get a veto proof
> > majority or
> >
> > gain the White House, there is no way anyone can logically
> >
> > believe there is only a one party system. After 2008 it
> > is possible
> >
> > the GOP might be pretty much on the ropes.
> > Kari Ana
> >
> > ------------
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lee Mentley
> > To: Gov. Howard
> > Dean ; California
> > Democratic Party
> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:23 AM
> > Subject: [Anti_Bush_Database
> > Party/DNC & America
> >
> >
> > It amazes me that people are just now waking up to the
> > ONE Party System that has been in place since the end of the
> New
> > Deal and the attack on the Middle Class, the bankruptcy of
> > America by Ronald Reagan and his ever present minions hiding
> > behind the flag and their so-called god...?
> >
> > They now also have front men for the smaller parties
> > as well...! There is no law & there is no freedom...!
> >
> > For instance do you know how much oil is under the
> > people we are allowing to be killed in Darfur, while we
> claim to
> > want to bring democracy to the world...?
> >
> > Americans have sat on the couch for far to long and
> > not participated in the democratic process, so this is where
> we
> > are...!
> >
> > I would now buy some Grounded Shoes for this years
> > political process because the tazers and worse are
> coming...! Lee
> >
> >
> > FYI, From Scott Peden:
> >
> > Some how, I am floundering in disbelief.
> >
> > The DLC, whose members have been voting to the right
> > of the republican party platform and continual warfare, who
> > embrace magazines which claim to be liberal but have
> constantly,
> > as the DLC 'Democrats' support the war effort and GW's
> Bush's
> > agenda the last 7 years, (in case you wondered why all those
> > terrible acts of legislation went through, it wasn't
> wrangling
> > for votes that they never got back, it is because they
> SUPPORT
> > the Agendas THEY CAST THEIR VOTES FOR) and this magazine
> claims
> > to be Liberal yet promotes war and corporate agenda..... and
> we
> > as a nation, we as a body of people who label ourselves
> > liberal.... do the Orwellian dance and explain away all the
> > hypocrisies and call people and magazines that do not
> promote
> > Liberal or Progress or Peace or Freedom, but support the
> > suspension of OUR CONSTITUTION and continued warfare that is
> > NEVER declared WAR so that the WAR PROFITEERING ACT can be
> > implemented.
> I
> > the tax payer.....
> >
> > ........and not only do the politicians though Liberal
> > labeled paper, The New Republic and DLC promote a plank that
> > is anything BUT what the Democratic party Plank is, BUT
> >
> > The DLC, the 'to the right of the Republican party
> > Plank' Democrats, some call 'centrists' though there is
> nothing
> > Moderate about them at all, is the only part of the so
> called
> > "Democratic party" that the MSM will even acknowledge
> exists.
> > They run War candidates vying for the position of Commander
> in Chief.
> >
> > Don't all these 'to the right of' Republican buzz
> > words coming from groups cloaked in the Democratic party
> Label,
> > bother anyone still in the Democratic party? NO? Because you
> > have to vote with who ever they decide you will vote for?
> Your
> > Liberal or Progressive views only count when the other party
> is
> > in office?
> >
> > It makes perfect sense to me now why such a high
> > percentage of people polled as Independents, and to a lesser
> > degree Green's and Socialists all state they got there via
> the
> > Democratic party but left cause they had no representation.
> I
> > always wondered why they didn't stay and fight to make it
> what
> > most of us have wanted.
> >
> > 1984 and the Orwellian way of life isn't just for
> > Republicans anymore, if it is good enough to take over the
> > Republican Party, it is good enough to take over the
> Democratic
> > Party too..... and I was so immersed in the Orwellianism of
> the
> > two headed Democratic party, I didn't even see it, till I
> saw so
> > many Democrats support the 'to the right of the Republican
> Party
> > Plank' that most of the Republicans also support. Perpetual
> War.
> > 7 years of the Democrats, even when the have the Senate and
> > Congress, still voting for Bush's most major items we have
> > screamed to end, the War, give us our constitution back, and
> > support Social Agendas and stop supporting the corporate and
> > especially the international Corporate agenda.
> >
> > Everyone running for "Commander in Chief' Rushed to
> > back up Bush, who is known for his intelligence reports for
> > being fabrications, to scream to the world at large NUCLEAR
> > OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE, as if they were the only people
> who
> > hadn't a clue that Iran is a Non Nuclear nation much less a
> non
> > nuclear weapon nation.
> >
> > The MSM only allowed the public to hear of the WAR
> > CANDIDATES, only allowed us to hear about those running for
> > COMMANDER IN CHIEF..... and few screamed that this isn't
> what
> > their party stands instead those terrible voting records are
> > ignored and we fight over personalities and ANYTHING BUT
> > ISSUES.n We're getting a smoke screen from what we think is
> a
> > group that supports the Democratic party Plank, yet they
> support
> > darned near anything but that, though they don't forget to
> toss
> > us scraps, but any mega legislation is Pro Corporate and
> Anti Social.
> >
> > The talk from members of both parties of taking thiner
> > party back, is now understandable why no dent was ever made
> and
> > the disparity of what our representative'
> to
> > what we want makes more sense, and we'll fight tooth and
> nail to
> > support those things they do that are contrary to the values
> and
> > morals we have, just because the other mislabeled party is
> more
> > evil then ours.
> >
> > As several exceptionally active activists have pointed
> > out, they will fight tooth and nail for either one of those
> > labeled with a D, no matter their voting record or policies,
> > which show they support everything we have screamed was bad
> over
> > the last 7 years, Pro Preemptive War (Nuclear Options are on
> the
> > table for a non nuclear non aggressive nation, just as in
> > Afghanistan and Iraq) and slaughtering of our economy, the
> > energy crisis, first the power delivered at home, then the
> car
> > and home fuel international corporate scam, and on and on
> goes
> > the corporate welfare and no responsibility agenda, and our
> > representatives borrow money that we the taxpayers have to
> pay
> > (no matter who is in charge of our land mass, or what our
> nation
> > is called, the bankers made sure of that or the loans would
> be
> > too risky).
> >
> > And I use to wonder why we haven't been able to get a
> > Democrat that supported the Democratic party Plank to run
> for
> > President, AND GET SUPPORT FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ITSELF,
> it
> > hasn't happened in decades.
> >
> > Cause the Democratic party Plank is just something
> > pretty to hang on the wall like that other non or ill used
> piece
> > of paper, the Constitution of the United States of America.
> >
> > A representative Democracy...
> >
> > Oh my God..... what happened....
> > hadn't woken up.... it's lot worse then even I had imagined.
> >
> > There aren't any parties to take back........
> > just one party with the MSM working like their shadow and
> the
> > agenda resembles Fascism and only shadows of what we were
> taught
> > we had, a Representative Democracy (unless you were taught
> we
> > we're a Democracy and never looked up what a mob that is and
> > figured out that is why we have REPRESENTATIVES instead of a
> > Democracy for each and every law that gets looked at).
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > HRH Lee Mentley
> > There are none so enslaved as those who falsely believe
> > they are free...!
> > Warmonger Bush/McCain Wants 100 War in Middle East With
> > Your Children...!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > HRH Lee Mentley
> > There are none so enslaved as those who falsely believe they
> > are free...!
> > Warmonger Bush/McCain Wants 100 War in Middle East With Your
> > Children...!
> >
>
>
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